it would make me sad. >> arranging an audience with pope benedict to talk about the clinic in ghana. >> reporter: do you remember your knees shaking? >> i do. and i was tongue tied at first. >> reporter: it could be that he was in the presence of a future pope as well. >> all right, well, susan is joining me live, it seems tough to place bets on who is the next pope. but one of the world's biggest book makers gives the cardinal 4-1 odds. that is amazing. does he stand realistic chance of being chosen and being the next pope? >> well of course. don the vatican would never officially weigh in on that. that is the question, isn't it? certainly there's a lot of vatican watchers that say now may be the time for change to select a pope outside of europe for example, to go to africa, to look at asia and latin america, where quite frankly the most number of catholics now live in the world. so, while this might not indicate a change in how church rules are interpreted, it would be a change, never the less. don? >> it certainly would, susan candiotti, thank you for your reporting. we will be r